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1 - You go Paul!!!

I would love to be a fly on the wall in some of their meetings just to get an idea of how they come up with these tools. I wonder if they truly understand what they are trying to do or if the just believe the stuff their PR dept sends out. I am not sure a tool can be built that can do what you want unless the tool is built in Notes. Then you could maybe get a handle on what is necessary based on the DXL, but even then the conversion of code to business process seems daunting.

Wouldn't it just be easier to say we can convert all the email and calendering and help you migrate your applications, at a price, of course.

Sean---

2 - Why do people bother?

3 - Erik... Happy to help out. BTW, this is the post I just left on your site
I am looking forward to reading your posts in future, and will be watching this site, closely.
Some points though:
It would be best that the Red Bull team get their story straight between what was posted by John Westworth and yourselves:
His posts are here:
http://blogs.technet.com/john_westworth/archive/2006/01/30/418332.aspx

Also, the "are you calling me a liar" inference only annoys technical people. We work in facts. Nobody from MS I met disputed ONE thing I said about the product. Because it was factual. In addition, your explanation does not match what MS employees on the Red Bull team told me at Lotusphere last week. Aside from that, if the beta was supposed to be private, whey would MS staff have blogged about it then???
I don't buy this. I would have more respect for "we pulled the beta because it was found to be inadequate and we want to make it better before releasing it again" (which is what I was told).
On the positive side, I am happy that you want to release an improved version, and I will review that one when it comes out. but DO NOT market this tool to be something it is not. I totally accept that the technical team are not in marketing, but please don't even try to sell this tool as a "solution", which I how I first came accross it.

4 - why did you bother posting then.

5 - Is it just me, or does this smell of;
MS Exec = "Go make sure you are getting the message out there"
Erik = "Do I have too? I'm a developer!"
MS Exec = "Yes, or else"

No offence intended Erik, just looks that way from your blog and the timing of it all.

6 - Nice to hear Erik. Just make sure marketing have the same message eh?

7 - Paul; Thanks for post, and looking forward to more comments.

Erik

8 - Of course, now it's a 'Private' beta version that was 'accidentally' posted to the public.

This smells like a FUD cover-up attempt...and stinks just as bad as the original FUD.

9 - Ok, I posted a repsonse, but I seriously doubt it will pop up. There are just too many things to consider when trying to analyze applications like they are saying it will do. Does anyone have a copy of that thing. I would love to take a look at it myself.

10 - Paul; Glad to see you looking forward to the new version and look forward to your review of the tool. As we get closer to releasing it, I plan on posting more background about what it is, how it is to be used, and just as important what it IS NOT.

Erik