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1 - I've been thinking a lot about this area recently. Domino.Doc is one seriously ugly, unloved, under-sold application.

But it's also incredibly powerful.

It just reeks of wasted opportunity every time I see it...

*sighs*

2 - As a .Doc person since it's Beta I can agree to a point. Yes, Quickr is the future, I am working on migrating one company currently.
Document Manager stopped with Release 7.0x and ONLY was last certified to 7.0.2 fp2 I believe.
The ODMA connectors WILL NOT WORK under Office 2007, DO NOT ATTEMPT IT.
You will hose your configuration.
Also it is picky with Vista(I use Vista on my laptop) so those being said...
I still like Doc and have done some tinkering with it as the # of people that handle it are less than 5 worldwide evidently based on my last few postings in the forums and other places.
A roadmap for Doc was issued at LS08 which included some point releases to get it to R8 and possibly Vista and Office 2007. Ideally they wanted to port the Quickr COnnectors to Doc, that hasn't happenned yet. See Jelan heidelberg if you need urgent details.
At least you don't have to demo it in a foriegn language like I have in the past.

3 - As of my last chat with IBM on D.D, back in August perhaps, 7.0.3 is supported as are XP & Office 2003. That's about it though. I believe IBM will support it on VMware.

There are a few of us left who dig it so, I'll just join Phil in the sighs!

4 - I worked a lot with Domino.Doc in 2000-2002. It was a great product, for the time.

I haven't followed it much since, but saw it being renamed a couple times and I thought the Domino Document Manager was still being updated

They need to combine the last couple features they don't have in Quickr from D.Doc and marked it appropriately - Ed? Can do you just write blogs, or do you also read blogs? Esp Irish ones? :)

Michael

5 - From a usability perspective I have a very low opinion of Domino.doc. If you don't have an intuitive interface, people will not want to use your tool. On that note, you might want to take a look at a very impressive Domino-based document management tool from DLITools. It WAS called DocLogic the last time I saw it, but appears to be called "Docova" now: { Link }

6 - Trust me, I know Dom.Doc is dead, and also had interface flaws... but there were some nice bits that could of made it into later products.
@4 - You would be surprised how many sites Ed reads.

7 - Hmm

8 - I wish they would at least streamline the doc management capacities between the 2 Quickr versions. Or communicate clearly which platform is going to be developed mostly.

9 - I worked on DomDoc roughly 5 years, and even though I've moved on, it still has a place in my heart. I would love to breathe new life into it, but IBM doesn't want to do that.

The thought crossed my mind to go outside of IBM, and do just that as a pseudo business partner. However, I just don't think it'd be a wise move. The product is quite old, and I'm not sure how many customers would want to use it if a third party was providing all the updates.

10 - Since I was namechecked so many times, I do want to at least ack having been here. Don't have anything I can say at the moment on the topic, though.

11 - Hello,

Domino.doc is that tool that all that has used it has hated it (at least a little bit).

If you look for technical information in the Internet, there is nothing new from years ago. This is a little bit frustating.

Nevertheless there are a lot of people who is using this tool daily and they cannot live without it.

Part of my job is Documental solutions offering, with Documentum, Domino.doc... and Dom.doc has its own defined niche and it's difficult to compete against it in that niche.

The only thing I hope is that migration to Quickr will be planned by IBM as easy as possible.

I have had used Quickr in Lotusgrenhouse and as it looks like, in part as Domino.doc, I think it's a good entry point for a lot of people to get introduced to the Web 2.0 applications. Believe me, there are a lot of people they don't know what is this and they work in our companies.

Regards

12 - Dom Doc is unloved by IBM, but could with only a little effort be a great companion product to Quickr.

Quickr is great for small teams/depts, but is not really up to larger document management, and despite the interface DDM is is some ways easier to use.. (versioning for example)

Ohh and the attache case is great, especially for law firms who need to take documents into court.

I also like the fact that DDM has simple Lotuscript integration points Query Checkin / Out, Review etc. It makes it childs play to integrate into you Notes/Domino applications.

Quickr is not as easy to customise at times as I have not found a simple way to intercept check in through all interfaces...

I think that there could be a place for both applications, many companies want to stick with the Domino platform, but seem to be finding Quickr not up to the job of traditional document management, and cant go for DDM as IBM is not making any commitment to it...

It would not take much to turn DDM into a top notch document management system, esp if you could leverage the DB2 back end of Domino 8, it does make a great value document management system.

13 - We produce toolkits for Domino Web development. We found many clients were not taking full advantage of the features when developing user interfaces for their Domino web apps so we created a sample app. We picked Doc Mgt as the theme because of the comments around DomDoc and the UI. The response caught us a bit off guard. In fact, we won an award at Lotusphere. Two years later and a lot of $$ and we now have a shipping product and many happy clients. Check it out at www.docova.com.

14 - @13, Gary, you want me to register to watch a demo video? FAIL!!